# SOCC SSOCC **URL:** https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/c/nec3-and-nec4-contracts/socc-ssocc/29.md?page=2 [Latest](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/latest.md) · [Categories](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/categories.md) · [Tags](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/tags.md) **Page:** 3 --- ## [NEC ECC: (Option C) - In accordance with the SOCC would a 'taxable site based travel allowance' be classified as 13 (b) 'subsistence and lodging'?](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-option-c-in-accordance-with-the-socc-would-a-taxable-site-based-travel-allowance-be-classified-as-13-b-subsistence-and-lodging/4965)
**Author:** [@ASimpleQS](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/ASimpleQS)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [6 March 2019 12:57 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-option-c-in-accordance-with-the-socc-would-a-taxable-site-based-travel-allowance-be-classified-as-13-b-subsistence-and-lodging/4965 "2019-03-06T12:57:13Z")
My Contractor has several staff employees who qualify for a ‘taxable site based travel allowance’. In accordance with our Contract Agreement, the Contractor should recover a reduced Fee against ‘travel and subsistence’ i… --- ## [NEC ECC: Can you have different fee percentages for different costs](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-can-you-have-different-fee-percentages-for-different-costs/4915)
**Author:** [@steverobinson](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/steverobinson)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [6 February 2019 19:04 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-can-you-have-different-fee-percentages-for-different-costs/4915 "2019-02-06T19:04:52Z")
Under Option C can you have two Fee Percentages for the different Fee Percentages to apply to different sections from the Schedule of cost components, i.e. a % for Section 1, People and a % for all other sections of the … --- ## [NEC ECS: Deduction for breaks?](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecs-deduction-for-breaks/4902)
**Author:** [@jnnordschild](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/jnnordschild)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [5 February 2019 08:21 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecs-deduction-for-breaks/4902 "2019-02-05T08:21:05Z")
Contract NEC 3 (Option B) Subcontractors contract states 10 hour working shift, For the purpose of CE the Subcontractor gets allocation sheets signed with the correct activities and the correct rates ( for the 10 hour … --- ## [NEC ECS: When does incidental works become non-incidental?](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecs-when-does-incidental-works-become-non-incidental/4881)
**Author:** [@jnnordschild](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/jnnordschild)\ **Replies:** 2\ **Last updated:** [3 February 2019 18:40 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecs-when-does-incidental-works-become-non-incidental/4881 "2019-02-03T18:40:48Z")
When a Subcontractor commences an NEC3 contract (based on a 12 month they provided daywork labour costs for option A (all inclusive daywork rates) and option B (non-productive daywork rates) for incidental dayworks and w… --- ## [NEC ECC: Option C - Disallowed Costs](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-option-c-disallowed-costs/4859)
**Author:** [@neil\_mccoll](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/neil_mccoll)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [16 January 2019 08:37 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-option-c-disallowed-costs/4859 "2019-01-16T08:37:23Z")
NEC ECC Option C: Specialist Site 3D Surveying – Cost disallowed by the Client We have employed a specialist surveying subcontractor to carry out a Ground Penetration Radar survey to locate services, and also to produce… --- ## [NEC ECC: WAO on Cost of People within a Subcontract](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-wao-on-cost-of-people-within-a-subcontract/4827)
**Author:** [@neil\_mccoll](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/neil_mccoll)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [11 January 2019 08:36 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-wao-on-cost-of-people-within-a-subcontract/4827 "2019-01-11T08:36:13Z")
We have completed a project under an ECC Main Option C, during which we engaged a Traffic Management subcontractor on an ECSS. Within the price list in the ECSS, the Subcontract allowed for his operatives separately to h… --- ## [NEC ECC: Under an Option C contract, does the defined cost of "Equipment" include costs associated with repair and maintenance?](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-under-an-option-c-contract-does-the-defined-cost-of-equipment-include-costs-associated-with-repair-and-maintenance/4849)
**Author:** [@kgraham](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/kgraham)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [10 January 2019 18:59 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-under-an-option-c-contract-does-the-defined-cost-of-equipment-include-costs-associated-with-repair-and-maintenance/4849 "2019-01-10T18:59:32Z")
The SCC sets out how equipment costs can be claimed depending on how the equipment has been procured, i.e. external hires or internally owned equipment etc. Are general repair/maintenance costs which are not included in… --- ## [NECECC: Is the provision of a company car, including a fully expensed fuel card allowed under defined cost for an Option C?](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nececc-is-the-provision-of-a-company-car-including-a-fully-expensed-fuel-card-allowed-under-defined-cost-for-an-option-c/4828)
**Author:** [@kgraham](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/kgraham)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [18 December 2018 12:36 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nececc-is-the-provision-of-a-company-car-including-a-fully-expensed-fuel-card-allowed-under-defined-cost-for-an-option-c/4828 "2018-12-18T12:36:32Z")
On the basis that the provision of a vehicle is a defined cost, and assuming a fuel card is also classed as such, can the PM argue that private mileage should be deducted? --- ## [NEC ECC: Option A - People Overheads](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-option-a-people-overheads/4802)
**Author:** [@brianmacdonald](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/brianmacdonald)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [23 November 2018 08:12 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-option-a-people-overheads/4802 "2018-11-23T08:12:08Z")
We have had a quotation for people and it includes their cars used to travel to site. Would this normally be built in to the People Overheads? I’ve looked through the green and brown book and this seems to be a bit amb… --- ## [NEC ECC: SCC- Item 44](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-scc-item-44/4743)
**Author:** [@David\_Roche](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/David_Roche)\ **Replies:** 4\ **Last updated:** [25 October 2018 11:16 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-scc-item-44/4743 "2018-10-25T11:16:45Z")
A hand tool by definition constitutes a tool held in the hand and operated without electricity or other power. It is powered by hand rather than a motor. Based on this definition does this render hammer drills, concrete … --- ## [NEC3 ECC : Should the Project Completion Bonus be paid as part of Defined Cost](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec3-ecc-should-the-project-completion-bonus-be-paid-as-part-of-defined-cost/4716)
**Author:** [@acheung](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/acheung)\ **Replies:** 2\ **Last updated:** [10 October 2018 08:51 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec3-ecc-should-the-project-completion-bonus-be-paid-as-part-of-defined-cost/4716 "2018-10-10T08:51:11Z")
We are the Contractor using NEC3 ECC (Option C) and the project was completed on Oct 2017 and the defect date will become expired in Nov 2018. According to our company directive, a project completion bonus will be calcu… --- ## [NEC ECS: Is travel time payable under option A?](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecs-is-travel-time-payable-under-option-a/4700)
**Author:** [@matthewroulson](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/matthewroulson)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [25 September 2018 11:46 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecs-is-travel-time-payable-under-option-a/4700 "2018-09-25T11:46:43Z")
In regards to an Option A Subcontract for electrical works, a subcontractor is claiming travel time to site (the working areas) and applying the hourly rate for an electrician to this time period. Example: 45 minutes t… --- ## [NEC ECC: Working Area Overhead Percentage and Agreed Subcontract Rates](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-working-area-overhead-percentage-and-agreed-subcontract-rates/4667)
**Author:** [@charliemogridge](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/charliemogridge)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [26 August 2018 08:51 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-working-area-overhead-percentage-and-agreed-subcontract-rates/4667 "2018-08-26T08:51:01Z")
Does the Working Area Overhead percentage get applied to People that are paid using Agreed Subcontract Rates? The reason I ask is that when making an assessment the SOCC is not used when assessing labour which are done … --- ## [NEC ECS: What is the definition of a Subsubcontractor under NEC3?](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecs-what-is-the-definition-of-a-subsubcontractor-under-nec3/4613)
**Author:** [@mccar002](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/mccar002)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [10 July 2018 13:39 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecs-what-is-the-definition-of-a-subsubcontractor-under-nec3/4613 "2018-07-10T13:39:52Z")
Variation works are being valued on a subsub contractor fee basis due to our operatives being self employed. Was wondering what defines a subsub contractor, Having supplied all PPE, equipment, tools and materials I woul… --- ## [NEC ECC: Option C - removal of items 12/13 of SCC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-option-c-removal-of-items-12-13-of-scc/4579)
**Author:** [@SJGrant](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/SJGrant)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [7 June 2018 14:18 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-option-c-removal-of-items-12-13-of-scc/4579 "2018-06-07T14:18:19Z")
If Item 12 and 13 has been removed from the contract but Working area overhead percentage remains along with a people overhead percentage how do I apply this to my costs? The client is suggesting that accommodation/trave… --- ## [NEC ECC: What about maternity pay and also paternity pay?](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-what-about-maternity-pay-and-also-paternity-pay/4492)
**Author:** [@Jay\_Bman](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/Jay_Bman)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [6 June 2018 07:47 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-what-about-maternity-pay-and-also-paternity-pay/4492 "2018-06-06T07:47:55Z")
Also with maternity pay, what if the period of maternity leave extends beyond the contract end? Would maternity pay up to the contract end be covered? --- ## [NEC ECC: Option C Schedule of Cost Components - People under NEC3](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-option-c-schedule-of-cost-components-people-under-nec3/4548)
**Author:** [@JJQS](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/JJQS)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [15 May 2018 10:39 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-option-c-schedule-of-cost-components-people-under-nec3/4548 "2018-05-15T10:39:46Z")
What is a contractor’s criteria for receiving payments for SoCC 1.13(o)? Would this be all safety training? Regardless of specificity to the works? Including training which only benefitting the contractor? Also, what d… --- ## [NEC ECC: Contract Data & SSCC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-contract-data-sscc/4544)
**Author:** [@daviben85](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/daviben85)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [14 May 2018 09:51 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-contract-data-sscc/4544 "2018-05-14T09:51:55Z")
I have a scenario (Option B) where by contract data part 2 as filled out by the Main Contractor and has only allowed a fee % for design only. There is 0% for direct fee. The SSCC has also been left completely blank. The … --- ## [NEC ECC: Recovering Laundry costs under The Shorter Schedule Of Cost Components](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-recovering-laundry-costs-under-the-shorter-schedule-of-cost-components/4489)
**Author:** [@AlexLewis](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/AlexLewis)\ **Replies:** 2\ **Last updated:** [22 March 2018 19:13 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-recovering-laundry-costs-under-the-shorter-schedule-of-cost-components/4489 "2018-03-22T19:13:55Z")
I currently have a live contract with a subcontractor under option E, is my sub contractor allowed to recover laundry costs. Which cost component would this fall in to? --- ## [NEC ECC: CECA applied for weekend work when hire cost covered in weekday working?](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-ceca-applied-for-weekend-work-when-hire-cost-covered-in-weekday-working/4464)
**Author:** [@anonymous1](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/anonymous1)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [7 March 2018 12:45 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-ceca-applied-for-weekend-work-when-hire-cost-covered-in-weekday-working/4464 "2018-03-07T12:45:42Z")
Option A, agreed plant & equipment at CECA minus a percentage. CE has been raised to cover weekend working though I’m aware that there would be no additional hire cost to the contractor (fuel is still used of course). Do… --- ## [NEC3 ECC: Option B SSoCC Payments for Electricity](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec3-ecc-option-b-ssocc-payments-for-electricity/4459)
**Author:** [@Lindyg](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/Lindyg)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [2 March 2018 14:05 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec3-ecc-option-b-ssocc-payments-for-electricity/4459 "2018-03-02T14:05:11Z")
The Works information describes the site as being an ‘island site’ to which no mains services connections are available. As a consequence, the contractor is using a generator to provide power for the working area. Foll… --- ## [NEC ECC: No working area in SSCC?](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-no-working-area-in-sscc/4397)
**Author:** [@anonymous1](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/anonymous1)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [1 January 2018 13:42 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-no-working-area-in-sscc/4397 "2018-01-01T13:42:21Z")
Why does the Shorter Schedule of Cost Components not include Working Area Overheads? --- ## [NEC3 ECC: Does Defined Cost include the WAOH %](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec3-ecc-does-defined-cost-include-the-waoh/3890)
**Author:** [@system](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/system)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [10 November 2017 12:31 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec3-ecc-does-defined-cost-include-the-waoh/3890 "2017-11-10T12:31:26Z")
When calculating Defined Cost + Fee, does the WAOH charge % form part of the Defined Cost or is it treated separately? Just wondering as the % charge isn’t technically a cost, but is it deemed a cost for the basis of ca… --- ## [NEC ECC: What about if the Contractor Employs a person who must travel to site, his only working site](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-what-about-if-the-contractor-employs-a-person-who-must-travel-to-site-his-only-working-site/4341)
**Author:** [@system](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/system)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [9 November 2017 16:46 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-what-about-if-the-contractor-employs-a-person-who-must-travel-to-site-his-only-working-site/4341 "2017-11-09T16:46:38Z")
For example, if that person is working on that site and gets paid a salary, then all of his time is effectively charged to this, the one project he works on. However, if that person is paid overtime for his travel, to s… --- ## [NEC3 ECC Option C: Does WAO apply to Agency Supplied Workers?](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec3-ecc-option-c-does-wao-apply-to-agency-supplied-workers/4333)
**Author:** [@ASimpleQS](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/ASimpleQS)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [3 November 2017 09:37 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec3-ecc-option-c-does-wao-apply-to-agency-supplied-workers/4333 "2017-11-03T09:37:42Z")
A Contractor has replaced several members of their Project Management Team with Agency Supplied Workers and are applying the Working Area Percentage to these costs. With the individuals not being directly employed are th… --- ## [NEC ECC: apprenticeship levy a Compensation Event](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-apprenticeship-levy-a-compensation-event/4311)
**Author:** [@Chris\_Corr](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/Chris_Corr)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [16 October 2017 10:54 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-apprenticeship-levy-a-compensation-event/4311 "2017-10-16T10:54:00Z")
Got asked this by client recently, so i thought i’d share it here. So the question is does the apprenticeship levy constitute a compensation event under ECC? --- ## [NEC3 ECC: Option E Fee on Fee](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec3-ecc-option-e-fee-on-fee/4239)
**Author:** [@WatersideSurveyor](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/WatersideSurveyor)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [11 October 2017 14:49 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec3-ecc-option-e-fee-on-fee/4239 "2017-10-11T14:49:30Z")
I am currently managing an Option E Main Contract which has a 15% Subcontract fee percentage in. We have Subcontracted a company to provide labour costs. Their direct fee percentage is 15%. They apply for their costs eac… --- ## [NEC ECC: What is the difference between Socc 1.3(b) subsistence & lodging & Socc 2 Equipment -accommodation?](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-what-is-the-difference-between-socc-1-3-b-subsistence-lodging-socc-2-equipment-accommodation/4289)
**Author:** [@acc](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/acc)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [2 October 2017 12:11 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-what-is-the-difference-between-socc-1-3-b-subsistence-lodging-socc-2-equipment-accommodation/4289 "2017-10-02T12:11:25Z")
ECC Option D: What is the difference between Socc 1.3 (b) Subsistence and Lodging and Socc 2. Equipment -Accommodation? We need to understand to understand the difference to properly classify the cost incurred by the co… --- ## [NEC ECC: Option C - Schedule of cost components Item 7](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-option-c-schedule-of-cost-components-item-7/4283)
**Author:** [@system](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/system)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [29 September 2017 10:42 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-option-c-schedule-of-cost-components-item-7/4283 "2017-09-29T10:42:29Z")
SCC Item 7 refers to “cost of the event” does it mean the full cost of the insurable event should be deducted from the cost irrespective of the compensation from the Insurer? --- ## [NEC ECC: Disallowed, Option A, SSCC for a compensation event](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-disallowed-option-a-sscc-for-a-compensation-event/4203)
**Author:** [@system](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/u/system)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [19 July 2017 11:34 UTC](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/t/nec-ecc-disallowed-option-a-sscc-for-a-compensation-event/4203 "2017-07-19T11:34:23Z")
Just clarifying…assuming a CE has arisen requiring the Contracts Manager to perform additional work, 10 hours of which he performs within the W/A and 20 hours of which he performs outside the W/A, and we are saying that … [Previous page](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/c/nec3-and-nec4-contracts/socc-ssocc/29.md?page=1) [Next page](https://reachback.builtintelligence.com/c/nec3-and-nec4-contracts/socc-ssocc/29.md?page=3)